Arts educators complain about engagement and impact metrics, with Clive Barstow (Edith Cowan U) from the Australian Council of Deans and Directors of Creative Arts  warning against a “bums on seats mentality.” “If we were to apply this model to the current research impact agenda in Australia … then the four most prestigious and highly paid professors in Australia would be The Wiggles.” Not a chance, they would never take the pay cut.